Counteroffer is a bad deal. Total transparency on number in real time. They need months to juggle them. A training program for a show runner? No AI flat out. Didn’t they see the court ruling that AI does not get copyright protection? This is the Unions one and only time to stand because if they capitulate they will never get this momentum again. WGA negotiating committee sat with a den of vipers. Union members are hurting but they must not give up. Always remember you have an ACE up your sleeve: You have all the talent and can start your own studio-streamer to the world. Respect. Writers have had no respect and still don’t with this den of vipers.
The fact that the AMPTP casually violated NLRB rules is very Elon Musk like. Tech bro is not a person but an attitude and this attitude of doing impulsive things and then worrying about the consequences later has now consumed the studios. Bring back people that love films and are not tech bros.
Nick Tosches wrote a great article in mid 2000 aughts about how all the Harvard bean counters ruined the rock music biz. It tell a great story about Jack Warner taking Mo Austin to the 2nd floor of a tool and dye building in Burbank telling him “Here’s your record company for you to create. Don’t bother me unless you need more money.” It is very hard to bring together 2 entities who have diametrically opposed sensibilities. Best not to disparage WGA like author below. Too, read French economist Thomas Piketty’s 2 books as he brilliantly states what is going on today with capital Amd labor. Labor is and has been disparaged while the elites are guilty of idle capital. All this must change. Just get your mind firm and set.
I went to a music college in Boston and I know exactly what you are referring to. After 4th semester, I decided to major in Music Business and our entire cohort had to deal with the fact that we were Music degree students with a business major competing with soulless people across the city in Harvard who wanted the same jobs we wanted.
As Michael Hudson has pointed out in his line if writing before, we live in a rentier economy where the elites are more interested in collecting rents than creating products while the FIRE (Finance, Insurance and Real Estate) sector dictates to every sector of the market. This has always been the anti-labour direction that we have been heading towards for a while now.
Just hang in there, as ll of us must do. Change inevitably will happen. Probably will get worse before it gets better. I keep saying that the pendulum has been stuck in the far left position for a long while now, but inevitably a la physics it will begin to swing. My prediction is that it will swing ferociously. It is the elites, the royal families, and those with great concentrations of wealth who must worry. I just listened to the independent journalist Glenn Greenwald on the Valuetainment YT channel and he used the word “destroyed” in Referring to these political elites who are causing all the trouble. He said they must be destroyed. The uproar since 2016 over Trump is that he is an outsider who is a distrust or and wants to transform the entire power structure and they don’t want to lose power. Too bad all of us have to live through the uproar but we must know we will get to a better and fairer place with opportunity for all. There cannot be this massive concentration of Welty and money at all costs. No one should own the water and the air. No one should own vast tracts of land. Everything needs to be proportionate.
The agreement between artists and studios is about a lot more than compensation or the use of GAI. At stake is who will control storytelling. Thanks to technology Hollywood has been the biggest cultural influence of the last 100 years. If artists knuckle under to the studios then who will control that influence? Who will write our cultural narratives? It won’t be the artists. Rather, it will be the elites that control the giant media/entertainment companies. Artists will be erased. The strike is the first widely publicized battleground for the fate of our humanity. But disguised as a labor strike.
At stake is freedom. The money people are trying to turn the entire world into Ancient Egypt. I thought Moses delivered all of us from that. You are fighting for everyone all over the world. Fight on!
So then why doesn't the WGA counter the AMPTP counter offer? That's called negotiating. Walking away and issuing an emotional missive is really childlike. Did the AMPTP pull a tactic? Yes. Is it a NLRB violation- NO. Emotionally you can be upset but emotions don't get written into contracts. Focus and work the contract. The WGA can't maintain the support of the IA and Teamsters if they won't make a counter offer and chose to act like children here. What does that mean? The AMPTP can now go to SAG since the WGA isn't making a counter, which is essentially walking away. If they make a deal with SAG then production starts back up with full crews. How? Just like the WGA has taken the IA and Teamsters for granted, they seem to have forgotten that it was actually the crew that shut down Hollywood by not crossing not the WGA. We keep hearing about the writer's resolve, but without crew support it would have just been 11,000 WGA members doing the "Brunch Picket" half-days, 3 day weekends, and days off if it's too hot or a chance of rain. This kind of fair weather resolve while refusing to counter their offer is starting to look like immature resentment filled obstinance instead of clear headed reasoning.
Best not to disparage any of the Union people. Writers have been getting screwed since time immemorial. I would never want to submit to their previous terms. Totally unfair. Yes, the crews are vital as film is a collaborative effort but without the writers there is nothing to translate into final product. Writers have been getting screwed since time immemorial. This fight is on. Even if it means the strike lasts a year. The studios go under then.
Yes, always reply to an offer even if you are simply stating your original terms. There is no give and take on AI. You appear as an extra in a film and the studio owns your image and can do whatever with it and you get paid nothing. That is slavery. I don’t see SAG capitulating. If WGA and SAG go for the financing to start their own studio DGA will join them. Time for major disruption. People need to learn to live without even for an extended period of time in order to get fair terms. Resolve, I know, believe me I know.
Counteroffer is a bad deal. Total transparency on number in real time. They need months to juggle them. A training program for a show runner? No AI flat out. Didn’t they see the court ruling that AI does not get copyright protection? This is the Unions one and only time to stand because if they capitulate they will never get this momentum again. WGA negotiating committee sat with a den of vipers. Union members are hurting but they must not give up. Always remember you have an ACE up your sleeve: You have all the talent and can start your own studio-streamer to the world. Respect. Writers have had no respect and still don’t with this den of vipers.
The fact that the AMPTP casually violated NLRB rules is very Elon Musk like. Tech bro is not a person but an attitude and this attitude of doing impulsive things and then worrying about the consequences later has now consumed the studios. Bring back people that love films and are not tech bros.
Nick Tosches wrote a great article in mid 2000 aughts about how all the Harvard bean counters ruined the rock music biz. It tell a great story about Jack Warner taking Mo Austin to the 2nd floor of a tool and dye building in Burbank telling him “Here’s your record company for you to create. Don’t bother me unless you need more money.” It is very hard to bring together 2 entities who have diametrically opposed sensibilities. Best not to disparage WGA like author below. Too, read French economist Thomas Piketty’s 2 books as he brilliantly states what is going on today with capital Amd labor. Labor is and has been disparaged while the elites are guilty of idle capital. All this must change. Just get your mind firm and set.
I went to a music college in Boston and I know exactly what you are referring to. After 4th semester, I decided to major in Music Business and our entire cohort had to deal with the fact that we were Music degree students with a business major competing with soulless people across the city in Harvard who wanted the same jobs we wanted.
As Michael Hudson has pointed out in his line if writing before, we live in a rentier economy where the elites are more interested in collecting rents than creating products while the FIRE (Finance, Insurance and Real Estate) sector dictates to every sector of the market. This has always been the anti-labour direction that we have been heading towards for a while now.
Just hang in there, as ll of us must do. Change inevitably will happen. Probably will get worse before it gets better. I keep saying that the pendulum has been stuck in the far left position for a long while now, but inevitably a la physics it will begin to swing. My prediction is that it will swing ferociously. It is the elites, the royal families, and those with great concentrations of wealth who must worry. I just listened to the independent journalist Glenn Greenwald on the Valuetainment YT channel and he used the word “destroyed” in Referring to these political elites who are causing all the trouble. He said they must be destroyed. The uproar since 2016 over Trump is that he is an outsider who is a distrust or and wants to transform the entire power structure and they don’t want to lose power. Too bad all of us have to live through the uproar but we must know we will get to a better and fairer place with opportunity for all. There cannot be this massive concentration of Welty and money at all costs. No one should own the water and the air. No one should own vast tracts of land. Everything needs to be proportionate.
The agreement between artists and studios is about a lot more than compensation or the use of GAI. At stake is who will control storytelling. Thanks to technology Hollywood has been the biggest cultural influence of the last 100 years. If artists knuckle under to the studios then who will control that influence? Who will write our cultural narratives? It won’t be the artists. Rather, it will be the elites that control the giant media/entertainment companies. Artists will be erased. The strike is the first widely publicized battleground for the fate of our humanity. But disguised as a labor strike.
At stake is freedom. The money people are trying to turn the entire world into Ancient Egypt. I thought Moses delivered all of us from that. You are fighting for everyone all over the world. Fight on!
Start your own studio. You have all the talent.
So then why doesn't the WGA counter the AMPTP counter offer? That's called negotiating. Walking away and issuing an emotional missive is really childlike. Did the AMPTP pull a tactic? Yes. Is it a NLRB violation- NO. Emotionally you can be upset but emotions don't get written into contracts. Focus and work the contract. The WGA can't maintain the support of the IA and Teamsters if they won't make a counter offer and chose to act like children here. What does that mean? The AMPTP can now go to SAG since the WGA isn't making a counter, which is essentially walking away. If they make a deal with SAG then production starts back up with full crews. How? Just like the WGA has taken the IA and Teamsters for granted, they seem to have forgotten that it was actually the crew that shut down Hollywood by not crossing not the WGA. We keep hearing about the writer's resolve, but without crew support it would have just been 11,000 WGA members doing the "Brunch Picket" half-days, 3 day weekends, and days off if it's too hot or a chance of rain. This kind of fair weather resolve while refusing to counter their offer is starting to look like immature resentment filled obstinance instead of clear headed reasoning.
Best not to disparage any of the Union people. Writers have been getting screwed since time immemorial. I would never want to submit to their previous terms. Totally unfair. Yes, the crews are vital as film is a collaborative effort but without the writers there is nothing to translate into final product. Writers have been getting screwed since time immemorial. This fight is on. Even if it means the strike lasts a year. The studios go under then.
Yes, always reply to an offer even if you are simply stating your original terms. There is no give and take on AI. You appear as an extra in a film and the studio owns your image and can do whatever with it and you get paid nothing. That is slavery. I don’t see SAG capitulating. If WGA and SAG go for the financing to start their own studio DGA will join them. Time for major disruption. People need to learn to live without even for an extended period of time in order to get fair terms. Resolve, I know, believe me I know.